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Title: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: AmazingWilf on February 07, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
The latest sacred cow to be sacrificed in pursuit of the ultimate burger of destiny - as suggested by Simon...

Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory (1999)

(http://www.theeuropeanperspective.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Dream_Theater_-_Metropolis_Pt._2-_Scenes_from_a_Memory-300x300.jpg)

Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory is the fifth studio album by American progressive metal band Dream Theater, released in 1999. It is a concept album that deals with the story of a man named Nicholas and the discovery of his past life, which involves love, murder, and infidelity as Victoria Page. It was recorded at BearTracks Studios in New York, where the band had previously recorded their second studio album Images and Words (1992) and the EP A Change of Seasons (1995).

Bloody prog.

Usual place for listening (http://www.theeuropeanperspective.com/?page_id=1196)


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 07, 2012, 06:55:26 PM
Oh the intro put me into a trance! And is that Mr Wilson playing the doc?


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: MikeEvs on February 07, 2012, 07:14:46 PM
Oh the intro put me into a trance! And is that Mr Wilson playing the doc?

No the hypnotherapist voice was done by producer Terry Brown


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 07, 2012, 07:25:39 PM
Is that THE Terry Brown ?


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Bert on February 07, 2012, 07:29:02 PM
Correctomundo. He recorded and produced James LaBrie's vocals for the album. 


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: AmazingWilf on February 07, 2012, 07:53:44 PM
Poor sod.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 07, 2012, 09:28:56 PM
I hope they paid him very, very well. And then paid him some more.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Bert on February 07, 2012, 10:11:07 PM
Listen to the album, and decide. For the record, LaBrie's vocals come across pretty well on this I think.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Simon on February 08, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
From what I remember, this album give a silent nod of acknowledgement to Queensr˙che's Operation Mindcrime (a band I loathe and detest in equal measures but accept that they helped to create the prog metal genre so what do I know?).

Scenes is a much warmer sounding record to my ears than anything they'd done before or since and the track Home with it's faux eastern jiggery pokery and wonderful dynamic change from loud to soft to loud again is an almost perfect example of all that's best about DT. When they get it right, they absolutely nail it.

The biggest issue I have about DT is also the thing that attracts me to them. As a songwriter, I hate the technical wankery but as a musician I can't help but admire it at the same time. Dream Theater are a hard listen at first but if you stick with it, gradually you begin to hear the tune beneath all the note flurry chops and sauce.

DT are at their best when they have something to prove as the very fact that their backs are against the wall appears to raise their creative game.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Jim on February 08, 2012, 07:47:22 PM
I don't need to listen to this album to know that it is an astonishing piece of music from start to finish. The fact that I was a fan of DT before this album saw the light of day should be taken into consideration when I tell you that in spite of that, this album left me slack jawed and on the verge of binning the guitar in favour of something altogether less taxing.

Love or hate LaBrie's vocal or Petrucci's wankery, there is no denying that as musicians there is probably nothing these guys can't play. With gusto. But underneath it all, below the frothing, foaming sea of 64th notes there is melody, tune and no little passion.

The sad fact of this album is that, try as they might, DT will almost certainly never again achieve what they did with "Scenes". When they finally call it a day or shuffle off this mortal coil, this will most likely be viewed as the high water mark in a career of many, many high water marks.

Love 'em or hate 'em, this is the album that brought them wider attention and commercial success that is the envy of a host of less (or even non) Prog bands.

And they f**kin' ROCK!

So there.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: AmazingWilf on February 08, 2012, 08:38:13 PM
Scenes From A Memory is my favourite Dream Theater album. It all just seemed to come together on this record - not sure why, maybe it was the right lineup, at last, maybe they just hit their stride from a writing perspective - whatever, it doesn't matter.

I'm no great fan of 'prog metal', so perhaps the reason I like this so much is that it's a lot less metal than their other records. The playing is, of course, exemplary - everyone is amazing - and LaBrie's voice is actually a lot less annoying than usual. Less shrieking.

Lots of fond memories of listening to this on my Walkman while traipsing around London.

A shame they've done nowt since which is as good. Hey-ho.

5 stars - sorted!


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: MikeEvs on February 08, 2012, 10:41:29 PM
I don't need to listen to this album to know that it is an astonishing piece of music from start to finish. The fact that I was a fan of DT before this album saw the light of day should be taken into consideration when I tell you that in spite of that, this album left me slack jawed and on the verge of binning the guitar in favour of something altogether less taxing.

Love or hate LaBrie's vocal or Petrucci's wankery, there is no denying that as musicians there is probably nothing these guys can't play. With gusto. But underneath it all, below the frothing, foaming sea of 64th notes there is melody, tune and no little passion.

The sad fact of this album is that, try as they might, DT will almost certainly never again achieve what they did with "Scenes". When they finally call it a day or shuffle off this mortal coil, this will most likely be viewed as the high water mark in a career of many, many high water marks.

Love 'em or hate 'em, this is the album that brought them wider attention and commercial success that is the envy of a host of less (or even non) Prog bands.

And they f**kin' ROCK!

So there.

LIKE!

and that's what I was going to say ;)


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Trace on February 08, 2012, 11:21:21 PM
Superb album.
For some reason, I prefer 'When Dream And Day Unite', but this is my favourite of the Labrie albums.
Can't say anything that won't be a repeat of above. This is where it all works.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: roger on February 09, 2012, 01:12:17 AM
I will have to listen to the stream.  I had this, and wasn't that taken with it, so I gave it to my son, as he was into the heavier stuff.  not sure if he ever listens to it, but there you go.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Mouse on February 09, 2012, 01:19:57 AM
Recently, I really have been sick of Dream Theater. In recent years, they seemed to have 'done a Coldplay' and just become an imitator of themselves, a sort of creative ouroboros. It greatly annoys me when bands do this, especially when they're part of a genre which is meant to be built on foward thinking directions and designed to be both original and interesting. Maybe I have been a bit ruthless and unkind in my perception of Dream Theater's work as a whole being based on what I believe they are now and quite obviously forgetting what they did exactly to get here in the first place.

I think Metropolis 2 could be considered as the original blueprint for not only DT albums to follow, but also the vast movement of progressive metal music which is still in full flow. There are details here which are still being copied and re-used all over the place, but I think this is where they first appeared and in the right places. The trends are all here - the incredibly melodramatic guitar riffs, typical metal but with a twist of theatrics; the sudden breaks in tone and a complete change of direction (the jazz club style interlude in The Dance Of Eternity); the whole group ensemble playing the same motif with laser guided precision and the orchestral-style arrangements of the instrumental passages.

Of course there is technical mastery, but the wankery has a purpose beyond merely being a flashy ego trip if it's considered in the style of an orchestral suite, with different instruments becoming different characters, explaining situations and emotion where lyrics are absent. And there is just enough to achieve that. I was surprised to hear that the mix is quite spacious, almost minimal. Again, there is just enough to get the right effect. Why bombard the listener with a wall of guitars when one will do the same job more efficiently? It certainly sounds like the band were just trying to make the best album they could without striving to tick boxes or emulate other styles or influences.

It's hard to believe that this album is nearly thirteen years old, because it doesn't sound dated at all. (It does sound like the album that most prog metal bands try to achieve nowadays, though.) It was made before the obsession with compression invaded the industry, so there are dynamics galore. Compared to some of the more current prog metal sounds, I suppose it could lack power, but in exchange it definitely sounds more natural. I love the drama the various riffs and sections conjur up to couple with the concept; it creates a real atmosphere and character. The little details here and there are fantastic, especially the almost film noir vocal treatment during Home and the way the whole thing is pretty much scripted. It is a very cinematic presentation. I'm not too keen on the sound of the drums, though. The snare has the dreaded biscuit tin ring and the kick has very little punch to it, making it sort of thud around the mid range and muddy things up a bit. The sound effects at the end are fun, although the very last moment is a bit silly. But that doesn't matter really as the constant sense of fun throughout the album outshines any niggles I have.

I went into Metropolis 2 expecting to be thoroughly disagreed with. What I found was that I had completely forgotten where Dream Theater had come from. It's an album that has obviously been made with much care and attention and it really shines because of it. It's hard to explain when a band reaches that high moment where every aspect works together and towards the same purpose, but it is certainly apparent here. It's certainly not perfect, but then that's the main problem with this style of music nowadays, I think.

****


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Ash on February 09, 2012, 07:01:13 AM
I only got to 26 mins before turning it off.  Just bores me.  I have never got DT. 


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 09, 2012, 07:30:15 AM
I only got to 26 mins before turning it off.  Just bores me.  I have never got Mouse's reviews. 

I agree.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Mouse on February 09, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
 :(  I got an A in both English Lit and Lang GCSE for nothing.  :(


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Bert on February 09, 2012, 01:00:19 PM
I don't know about the review, but I did have to look up the word "ouroboros".



Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Mouse on February 09, 2012, 01:03:23 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 09, 2012, 01:10:02 PM
Isn't that just off a Kotobel album.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Mouse on February 09, 2012, 01:13:49 PM
What's a Kotobel?


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: roger on February 09, 2012, 02:18:17 PM
something Japanese drummers play?


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Simon on February 09, 2012, 02:59:03 PM
It's a form of sausage made from Pandas.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Neville1308 on February 09, 2012, 03:01:49 PM
something Japanese drummers play?
;D

I only recently found out that Kotebel are based in Madrid and are on the cusp of releasing a new album.  See the preview here (http://youtu.be/8fWGoB_5K4E).

Just to make my post vaguely related to the thread.

About 10 years ago I began my return to prog after many years on a musical voyage of blues, jazz, jazz fusion, classical, folk, world, etc, etc.  At that time I kept hearing of this group called Dream Theatre, whom I'd never heard of before.  In a local shop they were selling the DVD of Scenes from a Memory cheap, so I bought it to see what all the fuss was about.

When I watched it then, my opinion was very similar to Simon's, admiring the skill but finding it full of technical wankery.  Since then, I have been listening to more heavier prog.  When this thread started I thought I'd dig it out again and have another watch/listen.  I find it a lot more listenable now than 10 years ago, but I still find it doesn't really elicit an emotional response from me and a lot of it seems to be technical wizardry for the sake of being technical wizardiness.

I confess I haven't heard the actual album, only the DVD concert, so I may be missing out on a revelation...

... but I doubt it.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 09, 2012, 03:11:54 PM
Just to make my post vaguely related to the thread.

Que ?


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: AmazingWilf on February 09, 2012, 03:21:36 PM
It's a form of sausage made from Pandas.
That makes pandas 100% more useful than they are already.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: MikeEvs on February 09, 2012, 04:19:45 PM
I don't know about the review, but I did have to look up the word "ouroboros".



Isn't that what Lister in Red Dwarf thinks his name is after finding it written on the side of the crate he was left in as a child.

Our Rob or Ros, his parents couldn't make up their mind :D


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Mouse on February 09, 2012, 05:18:42 PM
That's how I learned about it.  ;D


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 09, 2012, 08:54:55 PM
I came to DT late with Systematic Chaos which blew me away then I went on a few months' DT binge and sickened myself lol! So coming back to this album I realise it's probably my favourite.

I am alwsys disappointed seeing them live, they are impossibly good musically but they seem to lack passion live, a big robotic. Let's see if tomorrow changes my mind.

After listening to this I went back to Haken's new one and actually 'got' it more than before... Odd.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: AmazingWilf on February 09, 2012, 09:54:01 PM
I can see where you're coming from - listening to SFAM again brought the Haken record to mind.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 10, 2012, 05:22:33 PM
What exactly *is* wankery anyway? Just so I know what to look out for tonight!


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 10, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Well...when a man and his instrument love each other very much...


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Simon on February 13, 2012, 04:44:55 PM
 ;D


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 13, 2012, 07:06:29 PM
I didn't see any :) just genius! I did think Labrie's voice didn't sound as good as usual but possibly just Wembley crap sound


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: A James on February 13, 2012, 07:14:50 PM
"As good as usual"

Discuss.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 13, 2012, 07:18:24 PM
"As good as usual"

Discuss.

Bah.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Simon on February 14, 2012, 12:00:29 PM
Sadly I know from personal experience that as you grow older, your singing range begins to drop which is great for reaching the low notes and gifting your voice a certain amount of weight but a bit crap if you are Jimmy The Cheese who is expected to reach all those hair metal high notes, night after night.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 14, 2012, 01:27:53 PM
Also, this has been a long tour. Doesn't he have some kind of operatic training too? That should protect him somewhat altough he did have that ruptured vocal chord problem just before Awake.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Mouse on February 15, 2012, 05:56:26 PM
Having the operatic training would explain why he can only sing vowels.


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Purrdey on February 15, 2012, 06:24:53 PM
Having the operatic training would explain why he can only sing vowels.

Irritable vowel syndrome?


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: roger on February 15, 2012, 06:44:20 PM
Having the operatic training would explain why he can only sing vowels.

hey!


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: benb on February 20, 2012, 03:38:37 PM
What's a Kotobel?

It's what a Babybel grows up to be..........a big cheese? :)


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: Simon on February 20, 2012, 04:14:30 PM
SLAP!!!


Title: Re: W/C 6th February 2012 - Dream Theater - Metropolis Pt. 2: Scenes From A Memory
Post by: benb on February 20, 2012, 04:22:07 PM
 :D ;D